Chapter 84: Lori Gottlieb on therapists thoughtfully thrashing thinking theories

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Do you have a therapist?

Do you meet up with someone on a regular basis to open up, talk about yourself, and get into the weeds of your emotions? Maybe the ones you can articulate, the ones you can’t articulate, the ones you’re angry about having, the ones you’re confused about having.

I started seeing a therapist about 10 years ago.

After the loss of my marriage and my best friend, it was suggested by my parents that I would benefit from seeing a therapist.

I’m embarrassed to admit I said no. “I don’t need a therapist! I don’t have problems! That’s for people with problems! That’s not me!”

Maybe it was the years, decades, generations of stigma and taboos around that word? Therapy. Growing up I never heard about anyone going to therapy except in the context of some desperate, last second attempt to salvage something like a failing marriage at the eleventh hour.

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Maybe that’s why I’m talking about it today! I’m very lucky to have a therapist. And proud of it too, I’d say. My wife Leslie is, too. We talk openly about going to therapy with our children. So often, so easily, so quickly, people say, ‘I’ve got to go to workout, I’ve got to go to the gym, I’ve got to run on the treadmill.’ We’re so open about sharing physical self care. But we aren’t nearly as open about mental self care. And that conversation only progresses globally if we keep having conversations like the one we’re about to have today…

So welcome, welcome, welcome. Great to have you here. Thank you for reading all the way down here! Are you new? Are you a 3 Books virgin? If so, you picked a wonderful chapter to begin with. Chapter 84 with Lori Gottlieb. If you like it, we’d love to have you join our community. 3 Books is by and for book lovers, writers, makers, sellers and librarians. The show is a 100% a labor of love and a piece of art with no ads, no sponsors, no promotions, and no interruptions. We’ve got deep values like no book guilt, no book shame, the right to sip, the right to dip. We’re not about reading as a chore, or as a job, or as homework. We’re all about discovering or rediscovering the pure joy of books or deepening the love you already have.

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Today I am very excited to share with you a conversation with the one and only Lori Gottlieb.

Do you know Lori Gottlieb?

She’s a psychotherapist and author of the New York Times bestseller, Maybe You Should Talk To Someone which has sold well over a million copies. It’s even being adapted as a television series. She writes the extremely popular weekly column Dear Therapist in The Atlantic. She contributes regularly to The New York Times, has a very popular TED Talk, shared one of the best stories at The Moth ever, and is a member of the Advisory Council for Bring Change To Mind. Finally, she also hosts her own wonderful podcast called Dear Therapists.

As a therapist who writes about therapy, Lori kicks open the door to conversations we need to have.

We are going to talk about finding a therapist, making adult friends, what you should ask instead of ‘how are you?’, how heterosexual women often react to men crying, processing grief, the key ingredient to vulnerability, tennis partners, defining emotions, the voices in our head, the root cause of trauma, why insight is the booby prize of therapy, and, of course, about the wonderful Lori Gottlieb’s three most formative books.

Let’s turn the page into Chapter 84 now …

What You'll Learn:

  • What is the difference between content and process in therapy?

  • How do people move through their struggles?

  • What makes us human at our core?

  • How can we find ourselves in the stories of others?

  • How much should we share about ourselves on social media?

  • What is the importance of authenticity for a writer?

  • How do therapists use their own humanity to help others?

  • How should we navigate vulnerability in writing?

  • How can authors write about their own children without betraying their stories which are their own to tell?

  • What is true vulnerability?

  • What are the misconceptions surrounding therapy?

  • How do you test drive your therapist?

  • How do we discover our dark side and how can it help us grow as a human being?

  • What is the beauty of mentor mentee relationships?

  • Why are adult friendships hard to come by, specifically for men?

  • Why is it harder for men to be vulnerable?

  • Why do we apologize when we cry?

  • What is the danger of labeling feelings?

  • How can we use our feelings without judgement to make better decisions?

  • What is the danger of numbing our feelings?

  • Why should we not talk our kids out of their feelings?

  • How should we deal with loss and why are the commonly listed stages of grief not necessarily helpful?

  • How do we grieve better?

Notable quotes from Lori gottlieb:

"The internet is the most effective short term painkiller out there." Lori Gottlieb #3bookspodcast

“I think the word happiness is misleading because I think happiness is a byproduct of living your life in a way that is meaningful or fulfilling which is what we all want for ourselves. Happiness as a goal is a recipe for disaster.” Lori Gottlieb #3bookspodcast

“I get to see people as they really are and not people with a mask on, or people in the performative aspects of their lives which I think most people have to some degree professionally, at least or sometimes socially.” Lori Gottlieb #3bookspodcast

“I think that my most significant credential is that I am a card carrying member of the human race.” Lori Gottlieb #3bookspodcast

“I use my humanity to help people in the therapy room.” Lori Gottlieb #3bookspodcast

“Vulnerability is really showing up in a way where you are revealing the truth of who you are to somebody in real life, face to face, eye to eye, where the stakes are high.” Lori Gottlieb #3bookspodcast

“I think social media does have a positive function which is it normalizes struggles.” Lori Gottlieb #3bookspodcast

“I really want to encourage people to use vulnerability in a way to connect with other people in their real lives.” Lori Gottlieb #3bookspodcast

“The relationship you have with your therapist serves as a microcosm for all of the stuff that is going on out there and it helps you to learn something about your patterns, your blind spots and about what’s keeping you stuck.”  Lori Gottlieb #3bookspodcast

“Insight is the booby prize of therapy.” Lori Gottlieb #3bookspodcast

“When men become fully human, or share their full humanity, people sometimes become very uncomfortable with that.” Lori Gottlieb #3bookspodcast

“Feelings are just feelings, they’re like a compass and tell you what you need.” Lori Gottlieb #3bookspodcast

“If you don’t pay attention to your feelings, if you feel like some feelings are bad and I don’t want to feel them, it’s like walking around with a glitchy GPS, you have no idea what direction to go in because you are not using your feelings in the positive way they are meant to be used which is to tell you where to go.” Lori Gottlieb #3bookspodcast

“Because we judge ourselves we tend to numb out our feelings” Lori Gottlieb #3bookspodcast

“Numbness isn’t the absence of feelings, numbness is a state of being overwhelmed by too many feelings.” Lori Gottlieb #3bookspodcast

“The person we talk to the most in the course of our lives is our self.” Lori Gottlieb #3bookspodcast

“I want to make sure that when I talk to myself I am playing the radio station that is kind and true and helpful and not the radio station that is the bully radio station.” Lori Gottlieb #3bookspodcast

“Self compassion actually keeps you more accountable. It actually helps you to make greater change and to grow in a deeper way and longer lasting way.” Lori Gottlieb #3bookspodcast

“Grief is grief and loss is loss.” Lori Gottlieb #3bookspodcast

“Trauma comes from unprocessed loss and grief.” Lori Gottlieb #3bookspodcast

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